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äuä de scho ([personal profile] lemiru) wrote2011-06-22 09:13 pm

On the accuracy of Wikipedia

I fess up! I love wikipedia, and I use it all the time. Even for University work! The process usually goes like thus: I look something up, then look at the references the article gives, go to look THOSE up, and then take it from there. It usually works like a charm and nobody will ever know.

Except today, today was special:

I took screenshots because I think I'm actually going to edit this, even though I've never ever done this, and it's giving me such a good laugh that it's almost a waste.

Found under Tanzimat on the english Wikipedia:

Sounds kind of cool, right? Also it was cited as a ref for something I needed so off we go, look for that article.

Like an idiot, I look up the whole title on JSTOR because I will never learn that the search function there is not up to my expectations.
And can't find it.
Cue despair.

Then I go to just look up the particular Journal, then the number and then...




How do you mix up 'Ice Cream' and 'Tradition'. I NEED TO KNOW!

[identity profile] icepearls.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Hahaha awesome :D

[identity profile] lemiru.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
The mind, it boggled on ten different levels 8D

[identity profile] tekia.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
It takes a speical talent. *sagely nod*

[identity profile] lemiru.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
article-citer must have been real hungry at that moment. Or eating ice cream. Or. I dunno. \o/

[identity profile] tekia.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I know I'm really hungry.

[identity profile] lemiru.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude, I could totally go for some Ice Cream, too.

[identity profile] bf-nightingale.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Am I the only one who's disappointed that the article isn't about ice cream after all? D: Because now I'm dying to learn more about ice cream as public image in the late Ottoman Empire, because mmmmh, Dondurma! <3
But so much lol to your discovery anyway, and no, I have no idea how that could have even happened. XD

[identity profile] lemiru.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Let's be honest here, the main reason I looked that article up was to see just how Ice Cream could help in the constrution of Public Image. I was severly disapointed.

Also that Dondurma stuff looks insane o= *grabby hands*

[identity profile] bf-nightingale.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Fun fact about Dondurma: I'm German, thus have had Dönerbuden and Süpermarkets and whatnot at every second corner where I grew up, but I've only heard about (and eaten) Dondurma for the first time in Japan. My father who was born in Turkey? Had never heard about Dondurma before either, but I've seen several japanese dôjinshi mentioning Dondurma instead. I'm sure there must be a shop selling Dondurma somewhere in Istanbul - but I didn't see any in five days. And now I notice that the picture on Wikipedia has plenty of Japanese written all over it... and nothing else.
Personally, I sense a genius japanese marketing plot here, they're just pretending that it's really turkish, but you won't ever find Dondurma outside of Japan, ever!

...and now I'm even more curious about an article about ice cream in the Ottoman Empire. Dammit! D:

oh god I'm so sorry for all those edits orz

[identity profile] lemiru.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I was wondering about that sign in Japanese, but then I live in a country where there are japanese signs everywhere so I dunno if Turkey is such a high japanese-visited place, as well? THOUGH IT SOUNDS REALLY SUSPICIOUS NOW!
The wiki article did say that it was well liked enough for making a flower go slowly extinct, however. This is highly mysterious o=
The french article says "Les sorbets glacées étaient bien connues des Ottomans, ou même des Perses. Une région en particulier dans l'actuelle Turquie, dans la province de Maraş présente une glace de consistance très élastique et au goût assez prononcé." So maybe... it's a regional thing?

The main question is, however: did you have any? [I FAIL READING COMPREHENSION] And does it taste good? INQUIRING MINDS

brb writing thesis on Ottoman ice cream!
Edited 2011-06-22 22:38 (UTC)

Re: oh god I'm so sorry for all those edits orz

[identity profile] bf-nightingale.livejournal.com 2011-06-23 07:57 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I have seen plenty of japanese tourists indeed and still feel butthurt about Turkish people who speak Japanese apparently with no effort at all, but it still seems weird to me that you can't see any other language than Japanese on the picture here. No Turkish, no English, no nothing, just Japanese. And with a nifty little Turkish flag so as to be sure where the ice cream is coming from. How has that picture not be taken in Japan?
But yeah, it's probably a regional thing indeed. But it's still no fair that you can find Dondurma easily in Japan, where the Turkish population is certainly quite low, but nowhere in Germany or even in Istanbul. ;__; Though to be fair, it was winter, but still...

YESSSS, I DID AND IT WAS DELICIOUS! I had pistachio flavored dondurma, and it came even with the teasing described in Wikipedia. :D Though they didn't do much teasing with me (fortunately), but the kids before and after me in the line? Poor little guys would have their ice cream cone snatched away when they didn't grab it fast enough. ^_^

I would totally want to read that thesis. But only with a good stack of dondurma in my freezer.

[identity profile] atiko.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
/threadjacks, hellooooo

What is this! It looks delicious! W-why-- As someone from the Ruhr area (=Turks everywhere) I feel severely cheated that I've never even HEARD of this stuff. Guys, you've been holding out on us. D=

Or maybe. Just maybe... it's due to a Turkish-Italian agreement who gets the monopoly on selling ice cream to Germany. Italy went all yandere on Turkey and made him swear never to even mention dondurma to Germany, ever. He even has to hide it from tourists, that's why it took you so long to find a shop in Istanbul.
So Turkey was like 'screw all those prissy Europeans', turned around and sold it to Japan. All of it.
And that's what happened.

[identity profile] bf-nightingale.livejournal.com 2011-06-23 08:07 am (UTC)(link)
Helloooo! o/ *waves*

Would you believe me that I had the exact same reaction when I discovered Dondurma? XD Fortunately I was in Japan and I knew where to find some, but still. I don't want to have to go to Japan whenever I want to eat Dondurma, it's so delicious! ;_;

That would make an awful lot of sense here. I always suspected Italy to have a secret yandere side to him, as seen in the strip with the mind binoculars, and well, we all know about Turkey's crush for Japan. And now I want to see fanfic about this. Y u do dis 2 me Ati, you know how hard it is to find Turkey/Japan at all? ;_;
And yeah, seems like they're hiding it from tourists even in Istanbul. Okay, I didn't ask anyone for directions, but I have been looking out and felt even more cheated afterwards. Maybe they might have some in turkish süpermarkets in Germany though...? Don't you crush my hopes yet please. ;_;

[identity profile] atiko.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)

Go to the article discussion and leave a small note of "I see what you did there".

Also I'm happy I'mn not the only one who can't get anything off JSTOR. /sigh


[identity profile] lemiru.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I THINK I WILL I am somewhat convinced that this is a professor's doing, who just wants to make sure the students are doing their research correctly or some other asshatty thing like that. Got my hopes up and everything. I want to know about ice cream! *grumbles*

The JSTOR search function makes me flip tables. Honestly. It actually reduces the joy that is JSTOR-accessibility =(

[identity profile] sweetfragrance9.livejournal.com 2011-06-23 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe that person is dyslexic or something.

Wikipedia is still inaccurate. :))